would be the new public square. the public square now is electronic, not just a piece of land in the middle of town. and that's where paul preached and that's where he would be teaching and responding to criticism now. >> and do you think the church is getting better at getting it, that we are getting better at dialogue, we are getting better at moving forward, getting better at getting our word out and listening to others? >> we are getting better but we need to get even better. >> okay. >> i think the more we learn about it, what works, what doesn't, how it works, not to be afraid of it, to plunge in, the more that parishes, dioceses, priests, bishops, women religious, everybody gets more involved in it, the more confident we get and the better judgment we exercise about how to do it well. so it's that kind of thing, i think it's getting in, don't just walk around the pool, get in and swim. >> come in, the water is fine. >> exactly.